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		<title>By: swivelchair</title>
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		<dc:creator>swivelchair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 06:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HH why do you think the prevention gig has been such a miserable failure? Why do you think people don&#039;t exercise self control?</description>
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		<title>By: Harry Halina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Halina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think animal fat by itself causes the problem. 

The food industry has introduced bioengineering practices, antiobiotics, growth hormones, preservatives, etc. into the food supply chain.

These toxic chemicals end up in the fat cells of our meat products - which eventually wind up in our bloodstream - poisoning our metabolic system.

I think this is a BIG, BIG tragedy: the general population is led to believe that cancer and disease come from our genetics.

So the medical industry continues to look for the &quot;medicine&quot; that will cure our ills - spending away all our money into fixing the disease after the fact. 

All we really need to do is FOCUS on PREVENTION.

Stop the disease from occurring in the first place,  simply by eating the way Mother Nature had designed it: free range chicken, grass-fed beef, and mercury-free seafood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think animal fat by itself causes the problem. </p>
<p>The food industry has introduced bioengineering practices, antiobiotics, growth hormones, preservatives, etc. into the food supply chain.</p>
<p>These toxic chemicals end up in the fat cells of our meat products &#8211; which eventually wind up in our bloodstream &#8211; poisoning our metabolic system.</p>
<p>I think this is a BIG, BIG tragedy: the general population is led to believe that cancer and disease come from our genetics.</p>
<p>So the medical industry continues to look for the &#8220;medicine&#8221; that will cure our ills &#8211; spending away all our money into fixing the disease after the fact. </p>
<p>All we really need to do is FOCUS on PREVENTION.</p>
<p>Stop the disease from occurring in the first place,  simply by eating the way Mother Nature had designed it: free range chicken, grass-fed beef, and mercury-free seafood.</p>
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		<title>By: swivelchair</title>
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		<dc:creator>swivelchair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 01:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Memo.  Yes, apparently so, per the above paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Memo.  Yes, apparently so, per the above paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Memo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Memo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t fat also kill brain cells that get rid of fat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t fat also kill brain cells that get rid of fat?</p>
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		<title>By: swivelchair</title>
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		<dc:creator>swivelchair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks ITW.  Maybe the data are hokeyed-up for publicity sake (I&#039;m no big fan of NEJM), but still, you got me thinking about population genetics. There has got to be some genetic background in all of this because plainly, &lt;a href=&quot;http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/pima/pathfind/pathfind.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some populations are more prone to metabolic syndrome than others&lt;/a&gt; on a McWestern diet.  One carb size doesn&#039;t fit all.

Think of Asian diet and body adiposity (in general)  -- lots of carbs (rice) and low fat, and low body fat. (Not to be biased, so please no one take offense, this is a sweeping generality. . . ). That &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs311/en/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;seems to be increasing &lt;/a&gt;with the introduction of the McFood diet, high in fat and carbs.   So this seems to have a genetic component.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/en.2009-0108v1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a paper&lt;/a&gt; on mice (ITW, are you a mouse? :) ) who lack a protein involved in the inflammatory cascade (phosphodiesterase 4B, &quot;PDE4B&quot;), and stay lean even when eating fat. This seems to support the &quot;obesity as an inflammatory reaction&quot; framework.

I&#039;m guessing: if there is a double dose of the PDE4B or some hyper-reactivity of the PDE4B pathway then you get &lt;em&gt;hyperinflammation&lt;/em&gt; in white adipose tissue -- increasing leptin production locally and in the systemic circulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks ITW.  Maybe the data are hokeyed-up for publicity sake (I&#8217;m no big fan of NEJM), but still, you got me thinking about population genetics. There has got to be some genetic background in all of this because plainly, <a href="http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/pima/pathfind/pathfind.htm" rel="nofollow">some populations are more prone to metabolic syndrome than others</a> on a McWestern diet.  One carb size doesn&#8217;t fit all.</p>
<p>Think of Asian diet and body adiposity (in general)  &#8212; lots of carbs (rice) and low fat, and low body fat. (Not to be biased, so please no one take offense, this is a sweeping generality. . . ). That <a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs311/en/index.html" rel="nofollow">seems to be increasing </a>with the introduction of the McFood diet, high in fat and carbs.   So this seems to have a genetic component.</p>
<p><a href="http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/en.2009-0108v1" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a paper</a> on mice (ITW, are you a mouse? <img src='http://neurologicalcorrelates.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) who lack a protein involved in the inflammatory cascade (phosphodiesterase 4B, &#8220;PDE4B&#8221;), and stay lean even when eating fat. This seems to support the &#8220;obesity as an inflammatory reaction&#8221; framework.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing: if there is a double dose of the PDE4B or some hyper-reactivity of the PDE4B pathway then you get <em>hyperinflammation</em> in white adipose tissue &#8212; increasing leptin production locally and in the systemic circulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we legalized drugs, made them available at every store 24x7, put them in the schools, encouraged parents to give them to their kids, and advertised them non-stop to encourage cravings ... would we have an epidemic of addiction?  I&#039;m thinking it might end up like the so-called obesity epidemic, we&#039;d zoom up to some max number of addicts and then taper off. Kids would be impacted the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we legalized drugs, made them available at every store 24&#215;7, put them in the schools, encouraged parents to give them to their kids, and advertised them non-stop to encourage cravings &#8230; would we have an epidemic of addiction?  I&#8217;m thinking it might end up like the so-called obesity epidemic, we&#8217;d zoom up to some max number of addicts and then taper off. Kids would be impacted the most.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t those differences significant.  .6 pound in 2 years ?  I think what it does tell us is that there isn&#039;t one superior diet and there&#039;s no need to force any particular diet on all dieters, because in the end the differences between them are very minimal.  So choose what works best for you.  ItsTheWooo, obviously the diet you&#039;re on is working very very well for you and I&#039;m sure many others too.  And that&#039;s a great thing.  I couldn&#039;t possibly do that diet, I would feel deprived and abnormal 24x7.  I wouldn&#039;t want to live like that.  I need more carbs.  I can still lose weight though, as long as I don&#039;t overdo them.  Diets can be tailored, that&#039;s what this data tells us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t those differences significant.  .6 pound in 2 years ?  I think what it does tell us is that there isn&#8217;t one superior diet and there&#8217;s no need to force any particular diet on all dieters, because in the end the differences between them are very minimal.  So choose what works best for you.  ItsTheWooo, obviously the diet you&#8217;re on is working very very well for you and I&#8217;m sure many others too.  And that&#8217;s a great thing.  I couldn&#8217;t possibly do that diet, I would feel deprived and abnormal 24&#215;7.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to live like that.  I need more carbs.  I can still lose weight though, as long as I don&#8217;t overdo them.  Diets can be tailored, that&#8217;s what this data tells us.</p>
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		<title>By: ItsTheWooo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ItsTheWooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi SC, 
My understanding of brown fat thus far is it is actually most active in cold environments; the point of brown fat seems to be to produce heat to protect vital organs. That is why infants have so much brown fat - the homeostatic thermoregulation of infant nervous system is immature so brown fat substitutes as a way to help prevent vulnerable infants from succumbing to temperature. Infants become dehydrated and hypothermic extremely easily. Animals that hibernate also have a lot of brown fat. 

Regarding the study showing it is all &quot;just calories&quot; - more bad science from a bunch of obesity researchers who made their careers based in promoting the low fat lie. Now that it is blatantly obvious low fat is bullsh*t, cuz like all the most modern science shows carbohydrate reduction and consumption of fats like monosaturates and omega 3s are the most potent way to reverse metabolic syndrome and obesity, these guys are holding on tot he last bastion of credibility by defaulting to a more neutral position that all which matters is calories.

They fanagled these results by using diets which really werent much different. The &quot;high protein&quot; group is going from 15% to 25%. The &quot;high fat&quot; group is going to a mere 40% (carbs are still a ridiculously high 35%). 

They won&#039;t use a real low carb diet, because they know what will happen: the low carb diet will destroy the low fat diet, and that would be like knocking over an autistic child&#039;s stack of toy cars. This is all they have. This is the result they WANT. 

Oh, and, even though they rigged the diets so that the changes between them were so slight that no meaningful differences could possibly result, &lt;b&gt;the low carb/high protein diet still showed a trend of being superior to the other diets&lt;/b&gt;. Look at the graph: 
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content-nw/full/360/9/859/F1

It clearly shows a pretty significant advantage in weight loss for both the &quot;high protein&quot; and the &quot;low carbohydrate&quot; group. This is most apparent in participants who completed the study.
The same trend was observed in waist circumfrence.
Fat was pretty neutral (but, then again, the high fat group was eating a boat load of carbs so, that&#039;s kinda like making it fight with one hand tied behind its back since fat makes carbs more insulinogenic).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi SC,<br />
My understanding of brown fat thus far is it is actually most active in cold environments; the point of brown fat seems to be to produce heat to protect vital organs. That is why infants have so much brown fat &#8211; the homeostatic thermoregulation of infant nervous system is immature so brown fat substitutes as a way to help prevent vulnerable infants from succumbing to temperature. Infants become dehydrated and hypothermic extremely easily. Animals that hibernate also have a lot of brown fat. </p>
<p>Regarding the study showing it is all &#8220;just calories&#8221; &#8211; more bad science from a bunch of obesity researchers who made their careers based in promoting the low fat lie. Now that it is blatantly obvious low fat is bullsh*t, cuz like all the most modern science shows carbohydrate reduction and consumption of fats like monosaturates and omega 3s are the most potent way to reverse metabolic syndrome and obesity, these guys are holding on tot he last bastion of credibility by defaulting to a more neutral position that all which matters is calories.</p>
<p>They fanagled these results by using diets which really werent much different. The &#8220;high protein&#8221; group is going from 15% to 25%. The &#8220;high fat&#8221; group is going to a mere 40% (carbs are still a ridiculously high 35%). </p>
<p>They won&#8217;t use a real low carb diet, because they know what will happen: the low carb diet will destroy the low fat diet, and that would be like knocking over an autistic child&#8217;s stack of toy cars. This is all they have. This is the result they WANT. </p>
<p>Oh, and, even though they rigged the diets so that the changes between them were so slight that no meaningful differences could possibly result, <b>the low carb/high protein diet still showed a trend of being superior to the other diets</b>. Look at the graph:<br />
<a href="http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content-nw/full/360/9/859/F1" rel="nofollow">http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content-nw/full/360/9/859/F1</a></p>
<p>It clearly shows a pretty significant advantage in weight loss for both the &#8220;high protein&#8221; and the &#8220;low carbohydrate&#8221; group. This is most apparent in participants who completed the study.<br />
The same trend was observed in waist circumfrence.<br />
Fat was pretty neutral (but, then again, the high fat group was eating a boat load of carbs so, that&#8217;s kinda like making it fight with one hand tied behind its back since fat makes carbs more insulinogenic).</p>
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		<title>By: swivelchair</title>
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		<dc:creator>swivelchair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Sandra.  I do appreciate your comments, although your Stalinesque approach to pharmaceuticals and junk food puts you up there with the Soup Nazi. In Sandra-land, we would not have any anti-obesity meds, and the food in the grocery would all be cream of wheat. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Sandra.  I do appreciate your comments, although your Stalinesque approach to pharmaceuticals and junk food puts you up there with the Soup Nazi. In Sandra-land, we would not have any anti-obesity meds, and the food in the grocery would all be cream of wheat. <img src='http://neurologicalcorrelates.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, these statistics tell me that health care professionals, including physicians, are ignoring actual data.  I do hope that people who advise others about diet and weight loss comprise 100% of the 51% who said that the article will influence their advice!

So if you are on a calorie-deficit diet (these people ate 750 cals less than required to maintain their weight), composition doesn&#039;t really matter.  And if you overeat, composition does (or at least might) matter.  Seems reasonable.

This is very fascinating.  Swivelchair, I can&#039;t thank  you enough for your web site, the stuff you post here is really fabulous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, these statistics tell me that health care professionals, including physicians, are ignoring actual data.  I do hope that people who advise others about diet and weight loss comprise 100% of the 51% who said that the article will influence their advice!</p>
<p>So if you are on a calorie-deficit diet (these people ate 750 cals less than required to maintain their weight), composition doesn&#8217;t really matter.  And if you overeat, composition does (or at least might) matter.  Seems reasonable.</p>
<p>This is very fascinating.  Swivelchair, I can&#8217;t thank  you enough for your web site, the stuff you post here is really fabulous.</p>
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